The Carpetbagger Report:
: The Chris Matthews Show devoted four minutes to the prosecutor purge scandal over the weekend, which quickly worked its way onto YouTube. Glenn Greenwald called it "the most revealing" YouTube clip ever. Before watching it, I thought he was probably exaggerating. Then I saw it for myself.... I've included a full transcript below. I think it's worth watching/reading, in part because it offers so much insight into how cliquish, myopic media personalities consider political events, and how their misguided perceptions shape news coverage.
It's a four-minute segment, televised nationally, featuring prominent media figures.... Norah O'Donnell, chief Washington correspondent for MSNBC; Richard Stengel, editor of Time magazine; Gloria Borger, national political correspondent for CBS News and a columnist for U.S. News and World Report; and Patrick Healy, a political reporter for the New York Times. The problem wasn't just that... the panel... ignored the seriousness of the controversy, though it did... [and the panel went] without even a hint of a substantive comment, though it did that, too. The more startling problem was that these five... expressed... contempt... those who deign to believe the administration deserves scrutiny.
Glenn [Greenwald] explained:
Whatever one thinks of how convincing the available evidence is thus far, nobody who has an even basic understanding of how our government functions could dispute that the accusations in this scandal are extremely serious. Presumably, even those incapable of ingesting the danger of having U.S. attorneys fired due to their refusal to launch partisan-motivated prosecutions (or stifle prosecutions for partisan reasons) at least understand that it is highly disturbing and simply intolerable for the Attorney General... to lie repeatedly... including to Congress... with the obvious assent and (at the very least) implicit cooperation of the White House. Even the most vapid media stars should be able to understand that.
And then we watch the four-minute video from The Chris Matthews Show and know better. None of them even wanted to consider whether the controversy matters or whether the allegations surrounding the scandal had merit. The panel and its host appeared outraged... at Democrats who keep asking pesky questions about obstruction of justice.
This comment from Time's Richard Stengel stood out:
"I am so uninterested in the Democrats wanting Karl Rove, because it is so bad for them. Because it shows business as usual, tit for tat, vengeance."
It's rather startling.... What on earth is Stengel talking about? It's "bad for them" to hold the White House accountable for possibly criminal conduct? It's "business as usual" to have White House oversight for the first time in seven years? If this whole matter is about "vengeance"... why are some Republican lawmakers... calling on Gonzales's ouster?...
Here's the transcript I promised....
MATTHEWS: Joe [Biden']s honest. Democrats are frustrated that Rove wasn't indicted in the CIA leak case, but now that he's been implicated in the firing of those US attorneys, it looks to some people as though Democrats are smelling blood. Gloria, are they after Rove?
Ms. BORGER: Sure. You know, he's the cross between Ahab and Darth Vader for them, for the Democrats. And honestly, they would love nothing more than to get him up before a congressional committee.
MATTHEWS: OK, OK.
Ms. BORGER: But they want to change the subject, Chris. They don't want to talk about how they're doing on the war in Iraq or where they're...
MATTHEWS: You're with me on that. They divide over the war and fund-raising, but this makes it simple. It's good for fund-raising.
Ms. BORGER: Right.
MATTHEWS: Guess who's making this case? Chuck Schumer, who's the chief fund-raiser.
Ms. BORGER: Of course.
MATTHEWS: Rick, here's the question. When the dog catches the car, what do they do? They want a confession, like on "Perry Mason," where Rove just says, 'You're right, I'm no good.' Do they want him to show his horns and be really nasty? Or do they want him to get into a perjury rap? What're they after with this guy?
Mr. STENGEL: Well, as Joe Biden implied, it looks like the car would run over the dog in that case. And there are no--there are no "Perry Mason" moments except for "Perry Mason" I am so uninterested in the Democrats wanting Karl Rove, because it is so bad for them. Because it shows business as usual, tit for tat, vengeance.
MATTHEWS: (Unintelligible).
Ms. BORGER: Mm-hmm.
Mr. STENGEL: That's not what voters want to see.
MATTHEWS: So instead of like an issue like the war where you can say it's bigger than all of us, it's more important than politics, this is politics.
Mr. STENGEL: Yes, and it's much less. It's small bore politics.
O'DONNELL: The Democrats have to be very careful that they look like they're not the party of investigation rather than legislation in trying to change things.
MATTHEWS: Yeah.
O'DONNELL: But yes, they want a public flogging of Karl Rove up on Capitol Hill, to draw him up there when all of the cable networks cover that live, and to just beat the heck of him out there...
MATTHEWS: Yeah.
O'DONNELL: ...and to put him under fierce questioning. The reason that the White House is resisting is not only on what they believe is grounds of, you know, executive privilege and etc., but also because they believe if they give on this issue, Karl Rove will be up there every other week on Katrina...
MATTHEWS: Yeah.
O'DONNELL: ...on CIA leak, on a whole number of other things.
Mr. HEALY: And they've also had several years out of power, where they saw, you know, Dick Cheney come swaggering onto the Senate floor and cuss out, you know, Democratic senators, swear in their faces. This is their time for levers of power, and the Democrats say they want to use them.
MATTHEWS: What do they want?
Ms. BORGER: They want the American public to see their public enemy number one. You know, Karl Rove is one of the people, like the guy pulling the strings, the wizard, you know, and...
MATTHEWS: Yeah.
Ms. BORGER: And the American public doesn't really know Karl Rove, and for some reason they think that it would help the Democrats to get him out there. I'm not so sure.
MATTHEWS: I think we're all on--we're not sure of the Democrat strategy here once again. We put it to the Matthews Meter, 12 of our regular panelists. Will the attorney general Alberto Gonzales keep his job? This one's close. Seven say he'll stick to his job, hold on to it, and five say he's on the way out. Gloria, you say he's toast.
Ms. BORGER: Eventually. Not now.
MATTHEWS: After he testifies?
Ms. BORGER: After he testifies and maybe a little bit while after that. Little bit longer after that.
MATTHEWS: That's what I think. I think they're going to let him skewer for a while.
Ms. BORGER: Yeah.
MATTHEWS: Norah, you say he's not toast.
O'DONNELL: Well, I think that the president wants him to stay on in the job. I think that they realize replacing him would be just as difficult because then he'd have to be confirmed by a Democratic Congress, and I think that there is a degree of loyalty to this man that has worked with the president for a long time.
MATTHEWS: I think there's going to be some sympathy for this guy, he's Latino, he's not a real politician. If those guys trash him up there, it's going--it could backfire.
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